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Last week I met the Chair of BGORUG, the Barking Gospel Oak user group and other ex. members of the statutory Rail Timetables Committee who are still involved in the industry.  This is the outcome of the discussion on the current status of the WLL/NLL and GOB lines  New trains (Class 710) for the North London Line (NLL) and West London Line (WLL) have been built by Bombardier and at least four are sitting in the sidings at Bombardier’s Willesden depot, but they can’t go anywhere until:• Safety checks for the new design have been run and approval gained from Network Rail• New software is written and approved before any running tests can be carried out - e.g. the 1,000 miles "run in" and gauging tests along the routes to check they won't hit anything.• Drivers current and new have to be trained on the new trains and over the route(s) - Some of the driver training can be carried out on a simulator at Willesden, but ultimately drivers have to actually drive a real train (but not necessarily over the entire routes).• Each train has to be “run in” over 1,000 miles of Network Rail track - It depends what's in the TfL / Arriva Rail London contract with Bombardier, but recent practice for several other TOCs has been 1,000 miles fault-free running - so a fault at 999 miles means starting all over again.  It's a job generally done by a freight TOC who have drivers trained for this task, and Bombardier's routine has been to do round-trips between Crewe and Wembley. That's 150 miles each way, so in this case three round trips plus a final run from Crewe to Willesden would do the job. Say 4 days per unit if all goes well - so 32 days for the 8 GOB units. After that, units can go to Euston - Watford and thus release existing 378s to provide the extra trains needed for NLL / WLL.The trains from the Barking – Gospel Oak line are due to be sent to the West Midlands following a complete refit. It is not known whether they are "overdue". However, it is known that West Midlands Trains (WMT) need them for the 9th December timetable, to replace other trains scheduled to transfer to East Midlands Trains and to operate additional services (which latter may or may not happen). WMT will want to at least fit them with toilets, work which we believe is currently being done on GOB Line 8th unit to assess how long the job takes. Common sense suggests WMT are going to get very twitchy if they don't receive them by (say) 1st November.The first new trains will almost certainly go to the Barking Gospel Oak Line to free up the trains for the Midlands. That is TfL's plan. What Barking - Gospel Oak Rail User Group (BGORUG) want is for TfL to source older units for GOB Line (explanation supplied if you PM me) now - there are several options, none easy, but at least one must be "do-able" if the will is there (which at the moment it isn't). If this were done, then TfL could switch their priority to put the new 710s on Euston - Watford first, and thus release 378s for the NLL / WLL service increase that much sooner. TFL who historically have been good at communicating with stakeholders are either not responding to communications or are being economical with the truth.TfL have been saying for some time that 710s will be introduced to the GOB Line by November, but as every day passes with no visible signs of progress on the safety approvals that (very vague) date looks more and more at risk. It is also incorrect to suggest that 710s will go to the Richmond line - in fact it will be existing 378s released from Euston - Watford. However, It is the case that a recent new additional order for 710s (5-cars) will eventually go to the NLL / WLL, to release 378s for a planned frequency increase on the ELL. 710s won't be able to operate on the ELL as they don't have end doors for emergency detrainment in Brunel's single-track Thames tunnels. There was a consensus that TFL were prioritising personnel for the Elizabeth Line to ensure it opened on time over all other projects.This all gives BGORUG and NLL / WLL campaigners a common cause. The Chair of BGORUG has suggested that the WLL/NLL: should start a similar campaign (User Group) as it would help both Lines and would be happy to help get it started.BGORUG  http://www.barking-gospeloak.org.uk/

Libby Kemp ● 2730d

I did a freedom of information request about this. Here is the reply I got:Thank you for your email received by Transport for London (TfL) on 21 June 2018. Your request has been considered in accordance with the requirements of the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act and our information access policy.  I can confirm we do hold the information you require. You asked: In accordance with the Freedom of Information Act, I am requesting you to provide me with all email, correspondence and meeting notes pertaining to the change of schedule in May 2018 of London Overground Richmond branch. Prior to the May 2018 timetable change, Arriva Rail London operated 4 trains per hour (tph) from Richmond to Stratford. Following this change, Arriva London still operates 4 tph from Richmond to Stratford but some train times have changed. Additionally, three afternoon services temporarily start/terminate at South Acton.  These services start from Stratford at 13.15/13.45/14.45 and make the return journey from South Acton at 14.10/14.32/15.32. This is an interim timetable arrangement whilst we await the introduction of new trains and infrastructure upgrades expected next year. Unfortunately, to provide the information you have specifically requested would exceed the ‘appropriate limit’ of £450 set by the Freedom of Information (Appropriate Limit and Fees) Regulations 2004. Under section 12 of the FOI Act, we are not obliged to comply with a request if we estimate that the cost of determining whether we hold the information, locating and retrieving it and extracting it from other information would exceed the appropriate limit. This is calculated at £25 per hour for every hour spent on the activities described. We have estimated that providing a response to your current request would considerably exceed the cost limit. A timetable change involves a whole team of train planners. Planning for the May 2018 timetable change started two years ago. We estimate the train planners hold over 5 thousand emails between them which could be related to the timetable change in question. The time required to manually review each email to see if it was relevant and compile it all would be a burdensome task. To help bring the cost of responding to your request within the £450 limit, you may wish to consider narrowing its scope so that we can more easily locate, retrieve and extract the information you are seeking. If you want to refine your request or make a Freedom of Information Act request in future, please bear in mind that the Freedom of Information Act allows you to request recorded information held by Transport for London. You should identify the information that you want as clearly and concisely as you can, specifying the types of document that you are looking for. You might also consider limiting your request to a particular period of time, geographical area or specific departments of TfL. Although your request can take the form of a question, rather than a request for specific documents, TfL does not have to answer your question if it would require the creation of new information or the provision of a judgement, explanation, advice or opinion that was not already recorded at the time of your request. Please note that we will not be taking further action until we receive your revised request.

Bart Govaert ● 2738d